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Formal Debate: The Earth is flat (again)
in Earth Science
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Ill respond to any more takers in the next round, And I have plenty of time to study.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Refutation 1
You question why rendering technology separated by years produce different images? Or why data collection technology separated by years produce different results? Anyways, let’s say the pictures are fake, how many pictures of the flat earth exist?
As for fisheye windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGtZHHj2w4U
Man that wing is really curved, amazing right? Somehow the horizon gets distorted but the wings on the plane don’t.
Refutation 2:
At the end you see the mirage effects causing some bending to the buildings. You can only see the top half of the building is chicago, on a flat earth we should be able to see all of chicago. Also, where are the Rocky Mountains? You are depriving yourself here.
Refutation 3:
I thought plane windows caused distortion?
Refutation 4:
https://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/02/21/qantas-tells-perth-to-fly-to-south-africa-via-dubai/
The map that you provide is an example of a Azimuthal Equidistant Projection, which is a projection of a sphere on a flat map. This is one of the ways of trying to flatten a three dimensional spheroid onto a 2 dimensional surface, and it causes distortion, this can be seen if you have ever tried to flatten an orange peel. Lines of longitude are maintained, the only way you can gauge an accurate distance on this projection of directly from the center. Any distance not directly stemming from the center will be distorted and appear longer the farther away from the center it is.
The Town of Red Rock in Australia is 30°S, 153°13’E
The Town of Leaman is 30°S, 115°E
The angle between is 38°13’ or 38.217
The actual distance between the two cities is 3687 km
On the flat earth the 30°S map is 13322 km from the north pole.
Length of an arc: θπr/180
(38.217°)*(3.1415)*(13322km)/180 = 8886 km
This is 2.41 times larger than the actual distance between the two towns. This would make the distance between the two towns have to be 15.81°.
It is impossible to keep distance the same without inconsistency with the coordinate system, it is impossible to maintain a coordinate system without inconsistencies in distance.
Quantus flies directly from Sydney to Johannesburg. This is a direct distance of 11,060 km with a flight time of 13 hours and 20 minutes. The average speed of the flight is 830 km/h
Using the law of cosines,
d= a2+b2+2abcos(C)
d= 128942+137592+2(12894)(13759)cos(122.93)
d=23419, this is twice as far as the actual distance
The Boeing 727400 used on this flight has a max distance of 13438 km, where is the extra fuel stored? The flight would take you over New Guinea, China, India, the Himalayas, The arabian peninsula, The countries of east Africa. Nobody has ever reporting seeing any of this.
The two reasonable stops in between the flat earth flight Qantas, the airline company, does not fly at.
Also, if passengers were to arrive at the scheduled time of 13 hours and 20 minutes, FlatEarth Airlines would have to fly at an average speed of 1756 km/h. The max speed for a 727400 is 988 Kilometers per hour. Please demonstrate a 727400 flying at nearly double its actual speed.
You Polar Coordinate system is seriously flawed.
Refutation 5:
Video 1&4:
if you notice, the sun SETS at the end of the day - it doesn't just move further away. And if the world was truly flat, you could see much further into the distance, and you would see things reflecting sunlight back to you. Also, in no model does the south pole have daylight for 6 months at a time. Also, we should be able to see the sun, even if we are not directly in it’s rays. The sun would rise northeast and set northwest and would never set due east or due west like it does in our world.
The sun would have to be in multiple places.
At the Solstice, the sun is directly over the equator. On a flat earth the expected elevation can be calculated like this:
Plotted with how it actually is in real world shows the error in the earth being flat: The actual angle of elevation is just the viewers longitude minus 90. There is a large discrepancy.
On the Solstices, the sun is 23.44 degrees away from the zenith of someone standing on the equator, but on a flat earth model with a close sun this does not occur:
The difference between the sun on the two solstices is 48.66 degrees, on the flat earth model, this is the difference based on your longitude:
The only way you can defend your flat earth model is by saying that the tangent function is a government conspiracy created to support the round earth.
Video 2 :
The camera was below the tabletop. And the coin was right on the table top. Everyone here knows full well that if you had the camera at the same level as the tabletop with the coin held above it, like you would see with the sun on the flat earth, it wouldn't have disappeared. Basic trigonometry shows that even at the farthest possible distance on the flat earth, the sun would still appear several degrees above the horizon.
Video 3:
Norway is just south of the arctic circle and the video is right when it says that even though Norway is south south of the arctic circle, Norwegians can still see the sun at midnight. But saying that this is proof that the earth is flat is ridiculous. You see, at 1 am the sun IS below the horizon. The definition of Midnight sun isn't that you are able to see it at midnight, but rather that the sun never is below the horizon no matter what time it is. And by the way, this video has a huge and crucial error. At the north cape in Norway, the phenomena Midnight sun does NOT occur for only three days, but for approximately two and a half months, from mid may to the end of july. The closer you are to the arctic circle the shorter the period and the closer to the north pole the longer. These are observable facts you can see for yourself if you wanna travel. Also, at this time of year you can observe the sun going completely below the horizon and at the same time see the sun shine at the top of the mountains. In other words, I can observe the sun go completely below the horizon, immediately jump into a helicopter, fly a thousand yards straight up in a few minutes and then be able to see the sun again. This my friends, debunks this video and is absolute proof that the earth is spherical. Also, why is the sun going up and down?
Video 5:
You think that trying to show the sun gets a little smaller as it sets, helps flat earth? (it doesn't, and neither does the moon) You are still left with a sun that is NOT "dwindled to invisibility". It's still "sinking out of sight"!
Stars
The star Sadalmelik is on the celestial equator, Polaris is 40’ off the celestial north pole. Sadalmelik will be flying around the north pole around the equator because of a magical force. What would a flat earther see?
This is, of course, not the case
Consider the Autumn Equinox, where Sadalmelik will just be seen over the horizon line on the north pole but the sky's too bright. Heading further south, someone 80°N will see Polaris 10° from his zenith, and Sadalmelik 10° above his horizon. Someone 70°N will se Polaris 20° from his zenith, and Sadalmelik 20° above his horizon. This pattern continues until at the equator Polaris is seen just above the horizon line, and Sadalmelik is directly above. This is observed because the earth is a sphere.
If the earth was flat, the start would have to be in multiple places at once.
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Re-Rebuttal 2:
Can you show any bending happening? Do I have to squint really hard or is it just you?
The reason we can't see them is because at such a distance, they have already fallen below the vantage point.
Consider this a pre-refutation of some of your other arguments
4. The images I showed in favor of a flat Earth
Extra Proof:
Along with those 3, I wouldn't mind an explanation to this. We have a clear view of pikes peak from ground level in fort collins. According to the globe model this should be impossible.
@MissDMeanor
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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I hearby declare another victory in the name of Flatearthia, this debate is over.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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